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madameshawshank



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:02 am    Post subject: the joyous surprises of Clotilde's language Reply with quote

THE book lives in our kitchen ~ I've found that when I'm simply boiling water for coffee I'll snatch a couple of seconds to read a paragraph or two (the speed reader Debbie would grab 1000 paragraphs!)...simply to savour the delight of Clotilde's langage..

eg: the recipe for Tarte Tatin ~ we are told that if any apples stick to the bottom of the pan "just scrape them off and place them back on the tart where they belong." where they belong Smile

It's why I love Clotilde's way with words soooooooo very much ~ it's as though she's right next to you...

'n OH the chocolate raspberry cake!!!
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swan



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just received my copy!!I held on to the idea of 'wanting to buy it myself, in a proper bookstore', for a long time. But finding cookbooks in English here isn't so easy. Not even in the English or American bookstores.('cause they're far away from me Smile ). Not this one! And I wanted the UK version. So last week I finally decided to order it on the internet. And it just arrived in the mail!! I'm going to schlepp it around the house, use it as bed-reading material for the next couple of days, or as kitchen-waiting-time reading, just like madame...can't wait!
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Donna



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am in complete agreement with you Madame!

And, that Tarte Tatin recipe is a winner if ever there was one. I have served it several times for company and it gets RAVE reviews each time. It's the caramel-y thing that does it...so much better than a regular tarte tatin or even an apple pie - IMHO. YUM! And it's brilliant for breakfast the next morning with a cup of coffee! Nothing like starting your day off shot from guns on sugar!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a paragraph from Clotilde's pen--

"My feelings about fennel are strangely ambivalent. I have a screaming dislike for anything aniseed, so I avoid raw fennel like the plague. But if you take the same vegetable, carmelize it in olive oil, and cook it tenderly in a flavorful broth (a process called braising), I will go weak in the knees and eat plateful upon plateful of the soft, sweet wedges, made even more palatable by a silky coating of acidulated juices."

The reason I copied it here (the 'joyous surprises of Clotilde's language' thread) is because I can't help but think to myself "Spoken like a true foodie!" Well, it turns out Clotilde hates the word foodie--(see her post of July 17 2007). Hates it enough to tell the whole world she hates it.

So I'm wondering, do some of you have an opinion about this word? I can't find any derogatory definitions for it on the web. Personally I find it inoffensive but very slightly cutesy, like hippie or cookie or goodie or Trekkie or groupie--you get the idea.
I certainly prefer it to food whore, porn, snob, or Nazi! How do you define "foodie" for yourself?

I love licorice, hate rosemary. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Food-nut?!?!?
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Griffin



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has, in Britain as far as I'm aware, a meaning something like a food snob, which may be why Clotilde dislikes it as I do. Food is something so fundamental to all of us that it shouldn't be snobberised (ooh look I invented a word!) Rolling Eyes What I love about Clotilde's writing is that she is so down to earth.

A tv chef not all that long ago remarked that he believed that the best cooking was when you 'keep it simple' and I agree. Tho' for me it's kept simple because I am no Clotilde/Rainey/anyone else here!! I am a fair cook, but not an especially great one. So simple for me is good.

To me a foodie is the food version of the 'grey people' who want to create a kind of food elite. Bah! I say to them, Bah and furthermore, humbug!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Griffin, I'm intrigued-- who are the grey people??
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ginger,

They are those without imagination, those like Dylan's Mr Jones for whom, 'Something is happening but ya don't know what it is, do ya Mr. Jones?' The opposite of People of Colour by which I mean those who think in vivid colour.

Oscar Wilde wrote, 'We are all in the gutter but some of us are looking at the stars.' The grey people want to drag the colourful people into the gutter. They think that star-gazing is childish and unproductive. They believe in wanton jargon and colourless language. They have no passion for anything and think everybody should just do as they are told and conform.

They like to think they are artistic and creative but they are not, for they have neither appreciation nor imagination. They are in other words, utterly dull, utterly grey and utterly unimaginative. Oh if you could meet Madame Shawshank it would be easy to tell you of the grey people - they are the exact opposite of Madame.

Where she is bright and fiercely colourful in wit and wisdom and wonder, the greys are not. The greys know the price of everything and the value of nothing. For them, a painting is only valuable because of it's cost price. They are not the least interested in it's beauty or wonder and they are to be avoided at all costs.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Today I found myself doing something I never did before:
I wrote in my cookbook! In my C&Z cookbook!
Normally I feel my books are kind of 'holy', they are the boss, they tell me what to do, but this one...it's like having a friend around (Clotilde)with her own notes (the book) and you carefully note and add to what she's saying - or in this case - comment on my own experiences. And I love having this new friend around the house!!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good for you Swan. I think we should write in our books more. I had this feeling with something I was reading this week and thought no I mustn't. Now I think I will.

Some of you may have noticed I haven't made anything from Clotildes book. And I feel I should perhaps explain myself. I don't actually own the book yet. I want to get the UK version rather than the US version. Amazon are charging a ridiculous cost for postage from the UK so I'm waiting until the book is available here or in Australia or I visit the UK next year. And as I type this I have just realised an Australian blogging friend is about to attend the Oxford Symposium on Food and Cookery and asked if there was anything she could bring me back from London.

Perhaps Griffin can tell me the best place to get the book.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barbara,

Waterstones on Charing Cross Road should have it. There was a cookery book shop that Clotilde had a second launch at in London, but I forget the name. Rachel might remember it. If your friend can't get it, I'll order it and send it to you.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barbara, sorry to hear you've been deprived thus far. Your friend should be able to find Clotilde's book in any Waterstones (even the small ones) in London (NB there isn't one in Charing Cross Road anymore, the main one is in Piccadilly). And it's also available at Books for Cooks in Notting Hill, to which your friend will probably want to make a pilgrimmage anyway!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Griffin and Rachel.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually Barbara, I think I should just get on a plane and bring a copy over to you! I cannot believe the hardship you've endured thus far not having your own copy and it feels like my DUTY to get one over there as quickly as possible!Laughing

I am rather stunned that they're not available yet in Australia or New Zealand! Any idea why that might be the case?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, Donna, they are available in Australia and New Zealand. I sell them on my website.
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