Joined: 08 Jan 2006 Posts: 29 Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 4:46 am Post subject: Hotel ElDorado
I'm coming to Paris this spring and looking for a CHEAP place to stay. The Hotel ElDorado looks very cute, but I'm wondering about its location, in Batignolles. Clotilde often mentions the Batignolles market, but market aside, how is the neighborhood in terms of things to do, places to eat, and safety?
Batingolles is in the 17th arrondissement. Not sure what street your hotel is on, but most of that area is ok, some of it is quite expensive. There are some really great markets in the area, the metro is ok and you have heaps of buses as well.
I walk around near Bvd Batignolles a lot and never have any trouble. You will be as safe as you make yourself in Paris. If you walk around with heaps of flashy jewellery and wave money around you will get robbed... the same as in any other major city in the world.
There are heaps of places to eat in the 17th, and you are close to the 18th (Montmartre) which has so many cafes and restaurants that it isn't funny.
If you provide more info (ie street address and metro - if you know it) then one of the Parisiennes will be able to answer your questions better. _________________ If you cannot feel your arteries hardening, eat more cheese. If you can, drink more red wine. Diet is just "die" with a "t" on the end. Exercise is walking into the kitchen.
Well, I wouldn't know about safety, ask the Parisians. It's certainly not in the center, but you have Montmartre not far away, and of course Pigalle is very close, which could be a "safety" problem. I lived not very far away, on rue d'Amsterdam, which is very important because it's on that Rue that you have the most famous fromager ( cheese store)in PAris : Androuet ( if it's still there). It's worth a visit.
I don't know what is cheap for you and how much the Eldorado costs, but I know you can find cheap hotels in the Centre, in the latin quarter or St. Germain too. That will be nicer from a tourist point of view. Anyhow, my credo in the matter of Hotels is that I would prefer a cheaper Hotel in the center ( it also saves money, and time on commuting). Especially if you're young ( I mean really young, 20 something).
At my old age, I want comfort and central location, hot water and a good bed. BUt as I said, I'm old...
Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 256 Location: Richmond, VA, usa
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 4:55 pm Post subject:
My daughter (21) just returned from Paris....she stayed at the Paris Central Hotel (pariscentralhotel.com) which was very cheap and right around the corner from the Montparnasse station...can't get much more central & she was pleased with it...she only paid 54E for a single room! _________________ Make me half the person my dog thinks I am.
Joined: 08 Jan 2006 Posts: 29 Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 5:42 pm Post subject:
the hotel is on Rue des Dames.
cheap, as in under 50 euros a night. (i'd rather spent money on food than hotels, but have no patience for hostels, shared bathrooms, or anything less than sparkling clean. so i think i have to go a little further from the center of the city to get what i want.)
Pigalle is not any more unsafe than any other area in Paris.
I live on rue Lepic. If you look at your plans, it starts right smack bang in the middle of the "Pigalle" sex shop, Xrated club, pornography etc strip. I feel safer getting off the metro or bus and walking around in this area than I do walking around near Montparnasse - day or night. I used to work near Republique and came home near 11pm on my own catching 2 metros and a bus. I always felt safe and was quite happy to walk up the hill from "porn central" (our nickname for it) on my own.
People seem to see the sex industry area and immediately cast it as an unsafe terrible place to be near. Far from it. Sorry, but I find that sort of immediate response to be narrow minded, discriminatory and rather offensive. Sex does not always equal crime.
There are always people on the street and the streets there are well lit. Shops (normal shops - not sex shops) are open till late and most of the people on the streets are your everyday passersby along with the tourists.
Please do not pass up on a hotel just because it is in the area of Pigalle.
Off my soap box now.....
rue des Dames is between metro Place de Clichy and Villiers. Place de Clichy is right on the border of the 18th arrondissement, so you will have Montmartre within a short walk also. You have a great selection of buses (a fabulous way to travel around Paris as you see so much) and Place de Clichy is the correspondence for line 13 and line 2 on the metro.
It is a very lively area and you are parrellel to the Batignoles biologique market which are on saturday mornings. Just a few stops along on line 2 (or bus 30) is Ternes which also has a pretty little market place with nice fruit and veg and seafood and meats. Also a lot of the major shops are there.
From Place de Clichy you can catch bus 95 or 80 into the centre of Paris, or just as far as St Lazare metro station where you can get buses just about everywhere and metros for 6 different lines. In fact from the hotel you could walk down to St Lazare. Nothing is very far.
Re the sparkling clean comment.... Please downgrade your expectations. In another thread on hotels in Paris it was discussed how the cleanliness of rooms here is not exactly what you might find in other cities. It will be clean, but may not classify as "done to your standards" clean. One of the major problems is the dust from all the traffic. I can clean our apartment and a few minutes later everything is coated once again in a fine dust. It is part of Paris, so you just put up with it.
Sorry if this comes across a bit strongly.... I just get really fed up with people maligning the area, when it is really one of the safest in Paris, and the sex industry workers are just doing a job and are always pleasant to the residents and cause no problems. I don't condone what they do, but I am not against it. They fulfill a niche in society which has been around since biblical times. Simple fact. (and they probably earn more than us all put together... ) _________________ If you cannot feel your arteries hardening, eat more cheese. If you can, drink more red wine. Diet is just "die" with a "t" on the end. Exercise is walking into the kitchen.
Thank you Debbie for telling me that sex industry doesn't always equal crime. I should have known that, but it's better late ( I'm 56) than never.
I also appologize of being so narrow minded, discriminatory and rather offensive! Wow, what a bad girl I am. I lived in rue d'amsterdam and shopped in rue Lepic when it still was a bustling market street, and I was only 22! And Pigalle is not only sex, and you know that. And I believe also that jumping to conclusion about others peoples opinions, from a quite innofensive remark, is ... whatever you said . And soap boxes are full of bubbles.
No more war, a little bit of objective proportion !
Ah, the sex trade!! I have only ever been approached by "professional sex trade workers" in 2 cities (which should indicate what kind of aura I give off ) Paris and Calgary! I consider the Parisienne pro to be much more the professional in approach, on both occasions in Paris (a few years apart) the ladies were costumed entirely in black and one was easily in her 70's. I wish I'd had the vocabulary and she the time to tell me her life story. I suspect it was full of wonder and heartbreak in equal measure--she had a dignity the young Calgarian could never achieve. _________________ Vivant Linguae Mortuae!!
Joined: 18 Dec 2004 Posts: 136 Location: New York City
Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 3:03 am Post subject:
I agree with Debbie. When I lived in Paris, I lived on Rue St-Denis, the "other" sex shop area. only a few blocks from Place de Chatelet and fancy buildings, we were at first nervous about living on Rue St-Denis because of the sex shops. But, as Debbie said, there's always people on the street and the street was very well-lit. When we chose our apartment, we were deciding between it and one on a dark, quiet street in the Marais. I'm glad we chose the one we did. _________________ Don't forget the cannolis!
We're planning a trip to Paris at Christmas/ New Year's, any ideas on a place to stay near the Marais? Less than 100E a night. I've been looking at apartment rental websites, as I like the idea of having a kitchen available.
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